Flashing - What is it?

Flashing is a strip of aluminum that is installed for a couple of different reasons. It can be used to bridge the gap between the metal drip edge under the first row shingles and the top of the eavestrough.(picture on left)

The picture here (to the left) of a home in North York, shows a large gap of wood fascia that is vulnerable to water damage and leaks behind the eavestrough. Usually the gap is not this big but regardless of the size it's important to consider covering none the less. Often the wood is not even painted and may never get painted as most painters do not paint above the eavestrough. If you have aluminum fascia and it extends well up under the shingles then there is no fear of rotting wood, but you still may have drips between the fascia and eavestrough.

Shown here is a simple piece of aluminum flashing.

Flashing is also installed to prevent water from running behind your new eavestroughs due to shingles that may be curled down. (Curled down shingles can be prevented if the roofing company uses a drip edge, which we highly recommend. Do not allow a roofing company to leave the shingles extra long and let them fold down into the eavestrough.) It's surprising how many roofing companies think this is acceptable. Here is the link to our blog post explaining drip edge: http://torontoeavestroughing.blogspot.ca/2010/03/drip-edge-why-its-critical.html

Here is a picture of shingles that have curled down on a home in Scarborough.

When these shingles were new, they were not curled like this and did not let water run behind the eavestrough like it does in the picture below. Many years in the sun allows them to curl down under their own weight. Since eavestroughs are not actually sealed/caulked to the wood or aluminum fascia, proper water flow into the eavestrough depends on proper shingle overhang.

 

Below we show how the piece of flashing extends over the back of the eavestrough and up under the curled shingles.

The metal flashing must slide up under the drip edge (if you have drip edge) or curled shingles and extend down over the back of the eavestrough.

FAQ : How much flashing will I need? If you need to flash an existing eavestrough system then a simple inspection will reveal how many feet you need. The places where the shingles curl down and overlap the back of the eavestrough will not need flashing.  When we price flashing with a new eavestrough system we allow a per foot price as there is no way of determining how much is needed before the new system is in place. This is because there is no way of determining when the eavestroughs will come out from under the curled shingles due to the way the eavestroughs slope down to the downspouts. An average home may need 40 to 100 feet to prevent drips if the shingles are curled down. Flashing starts at $2. per lineal foot depending on installation difficulty.

This video shows how water runs off a shingle. It refers to drip edge but once the shingles have curled down it's easier and cheaper to resolve the problem with flashing. Sometimes the curled shingles do not lift easily (they become brittle or stiff and may crack if lifted) to slide a drip edge onto the roof deck. Flashing is easier and will reduce the chance of damaging the shingles when the metal is being installed.

Its our view at North Shore Eavestroughing that a educated consumer will help raise our industry standards. Visit www. eavestrough.ca for more information. Do you live in Scarborough, North York or other area in or near Toronto, get in touch so we can provie you with a quote.

All Our Work Is Water Tested

North Shore Eavestroughing has now incorporated a water test to all our eavestrough work. This simple test is standard to ensure that all corners are leak free when we leave your property. It serves as a double check to our high standard of work. We want to ensure that all your new eavestroughs work as promised. It's a quick test which if it uncovers a small drip can be remedied on the spot before leaving your home. This saves you time by not having to call us if there is a small problem and us time by not returning to do any repairs. Its a win win. Our teams have water stocked in our trailers in the event there is no hose available to use. This is another example of how we aim to create a positive client experience for everyone who comes in contact with our company! Visit http://www.eavestrough.ca/ for a free quote! If you are in North York, Scarborough or live in or near Toronto we would lvoe to provide a quote for you!

3 Reasons Why A Roofer Shouldn't Do Your Gutter

This is quite possibly the worst gutter job I have come across. A roofing company sent a roofer and totally botched it. We completely removed it all and started fresh as there were too many mistakes to fix.

The gutter also had a huge amount of grade to the downspout making it very unsightly.

The person fitting these corners, in North York, had no idea how to properly do a mitred corner. Too many joints, too many screws and caulking to hide where the corner did not fit properly.

This is prime example of why we tell potential clients not to hire your roofer to do your gutters. Its not easy to do a professional install without specialized training. This is also the main reason why when you hire a roofing company to do your gutters they subcontract it out because they lack the trained personnel and equipment to do the job right. There is a reason we do not do roofs and for the same reason roofers should not do gutters!

Roofing and eavestroughing are independant of each other. If the roof needs replacing then it's best to do the roof work first if possible.

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Reduce your liability when hiring a contractor

Most people do not realize that when you hire a contractor to work on your home, in Scarborough, North York or Toronto it temporarily turns into a construction site that must follow Ontario law. A homeowner can be considered the general contractor of the project in certain instances which means you must be aware of certian rules and regulations.

Just because a contractor has liability insurance does not mean you should not be concerned with how the work is performed on your home. If a serious accident were to occur the fines can easily be 100,000.00 with a portion potentially being on the homeowner's shoulders. These fines are not covered by any insurance.

One of the ways North Shore takes extra care to reduce your risk by using fall arrest equipment on all projects over 10 feet high required by law. This keeps our team safe from harm and reduces your liability. Its a win win!

Always ensure that this safety factor will be carried out by your contractor before the work starts. Keep in mind fall protection is not enforced in most roofing and eavestroughing companies in Toronto. Check out their marketing material and if all their pictures show unprotected workers then the chance of them being safe on your project is slim to none. Remember that you are in charge of who you hire to do the work and insist they work safe on your home. In my opinion, any company that leaves safety to chance is probably skimping on other areas too.
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Certified Eavestrough Professionals

We are getting ready for our busy spring season and much goes on behind the scenes to ensure you get the best possible eavestrough project. In order to serve our customers to the highest level we spend many hours of training in our shop, in Scarborough. After careful training and review for all our team members you can feel confident in our craftsmanship. The biggest and most important variable in our industry is the quality of the installation. Too many companies do not give formal quality training and it is the homeowner who suffers with a poorly done job. Our operation is fully equipped with training modules and a fully systemized way of doing things. We back up all our installs with a industry leading 10 year workmanship warranty!
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Drip edge. Why it is critical.

Drip edge is a metal flange that is installed under the first row of shingles. Shown below in black below, it serves a few different purposes.

 It provides some support to the shingles so that they do not curl down over the years and cause cracking of the shingles and potential water to run down behind the eavestrough. It also creates overlapping of the wooden fascia that can be prone to rot due to water penetration. Another benefit is it can cover any small gaps between the roof deck and the fascia which will prevent animals from seeing an opening which they will then chew at until they are into your attic. Drip edge is also perfect for sealing the ice and water shield to. (Ice and water shield is a water proof membrane that roofing companies install before shingling and helps prevent water leakage in the event of an ice dam.)

Here is a simple metal drip edge: (Picture from Quinby Hardware)

 

From an eavestroughing standpoint, drip edge is critical to provide you with a roof that will drain water off the roof and into the eavestrough properly. Some roofers that take the short cut of not using a drip edge will often leave the shingles extra-long so that they will sag down into the eavestrough. This will eventually weaken the shingles and hinder proper installation of any new eavestroughs you may be considering after the roof is done.

Fortunately, it's simple and inexpensive to do when the roof is being replaced. Roofers can buy drip edge for less than a dollar a foot, is installed quickly and comes in various colours. Unfortunately, it is overlooked most of the time. I recently talked to a home owner who just had 3 roofing quotes and no one mentioned or offered drip edge. It was understandable that he was frustrated that he had to do his own investigating into drip edge to realize the potential benefits.

As seen in the picture below, there is no drip edge which causes the shingles to curl down allowing water to drip behind the eavestrough.

 

This picture below of a home in Scarborough, shows the obvious gap between the roof deck and the top of the fascia. If an animal gets in there it will enter straight into the attic.

The drip edge should extend about 3 to 4 inches up under the shingles and down 2 inches maximum over the fascia. Any more than 2 inches can interfere with eavestrough and leaf guard installation which may cause you to incur extra costs. One final tip is that the shingles should extend about 1 inch past the drip edge to ensure proper water flow directly into the eavestrough. It is much easier to have drip edge installed in conjunction with a new roof than trying to install it afterwards. It can be done afterwards, if the shingles have not become weak and brittle from curling down. If this is the case, the shingles may break off when trying to install the drip edge so it's best just to install it when doing the roof.

This final picture shows a potential problem with the shingles not hanging about 1 inch past the drip edge. The surface tension of the water will cause the water to travel backwards to the fascia/ eavestrough. The eavestrough is not always tucked up under the drip edge as shown because the eavestrough slowly lowers down to get proper slope. This can cause leaking behind the eavestrough and may require additional flashing work to make sure the water goes where it is supposed to.  See our flashing blog post: http://torontoeavestroughing.blogspot.ca/2010/07/flashing-what-is-it.html

 

Here are some videos we have done up relating to drip edge:

 



 

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Choosing the best material for eavestroughs.

Eavestroughs can be made out of a few different materials. The most common materials are aluminum, steel, copper and vinyl. Aluminum is by far the most widely used material in North America because it can be formed into a seamless eavestrough and will not rust. Steel and copper can also be formed into a seamless eavestrough but steel is prone to rust and copper is at a much higher price point. Vinyl eavestroughs cannot be fed through seamless eavestrough machines. Because of this they are usually purchased in 10 foot lengths at hardware stores. It's rare to see a professional using this product and is usually purchased by homeowners attempting to do it themselves. Recently, we completely stripped a home of all its vinyl soffit fascia and gutters. You can view a video on some of the pitfalls of choosing vinyl:




Aluminum also has many advantages. It comes in a wide variety of colors and is compatible with a wide range of leafguards which are also made of aluminum. Aluminum gutters come in mainly 2 different thicknesses so it's important to choose the one that best suits your needs.

The thickness of .023 gauge is the most common thickness for our region and allows for the widest colour selection. We install about 95 percent of our eavestroughs with this thickness. It is the thickness we used in the very top picture which shows us hanging from it. Keep in mind that the leafguard we used called T-Rex greatly responsible for making it so durable. This thickness is more than adequate for most residential applications. The .023 gauge can also be made more durable by installing more brackets used to fasten the eavestrough to the home. I see many eavestroughs in the Toronto that look good from the ground but upon looking in from above there were very few fasteners used. The type and number of fasteners is as or more important than the thickness of the aluminum.

The thicker version is .032 gauge and we recommend for homes or businesses that have steel roofs and have problems with snow slides. Often with these roofs, a ton of snow can release at once and play havoc with the eavestroughs. When the T-Rex leafguard system is combined with this thickness it creates a very strong gutter but can be no match for tons of ice/snow sliding of at once. Therefore its very important to have the roofing company install snow stops to prevent the snow from sliding off. Most companies will not warranty damage due to snow slides on steel roofs. The .032 gauge is not as common as the .023 and therefore due to market demand it is available in fewer colors.

If you have any questions or comments to this post or any other please leave a response and I will do my best to respond promptly. We service Scarbrorough and North York as well as other areas in and around Toronto.

Also I do not mean to confuse you when I alternate between eavestrough and gutter. They mean the same thing. Gutter is probably more common in the U.S. than here in Canada.

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Proper Slope

It's essential to use a level when installing eavestroughs. Most homeowners are aware that there should not be pooling water in their eavestroughs. This creates overflows and swamp-like conditions that mosquitos love to hang out and lay eggs in. No one would want this but unfortunately many homes in Toronto have this situation. It's of epidemic proportions. The good thing is, it's completely avoidable.

The use of a level when installing your new system will take all the the guess work out of things. It seems that many installers think that they have a good eye and can tell when the eavestroughs are sloped in the right direction. Well I see the proof everyday that this is not the case as we get numerous calls from homeowners complaining about how xyz company did their eavestroughs and they are full of water. I also see it almost everyday I go out to see homeowners who want a new system.

There have been numerous times we talk to a homeowner who has had a company install their eavestroughs with slope problems. They call them back fix it and they still don't get it right the second time. If the company had used a level this embarrassment wouldn't have happened!

Not using a level and eyeballing the install will create problems because the houses often do not sit perfectly level in the first place. A house could be an inch or two higher on one side than the other and it's highly unlikely anyone would ever know just by looking. This can affect a person's frame of reference. It can give the illusion that eavestroughs are sloping in the proper direction.

I think the main reason why levels are not used is because it does slow the install process down significantly by times. With most of the Toronto eavestrough market consisting of subcontractors getting paid piece work this type of attention to detail is to hard on the pocket book and is neglected. We at North Shore Eavestroughing do things differently. All our team members are highly knowledgeable on proper install methods and paid hourly. We take pride in the fact that we do not subcontract any of our work. This is not common in our industry. If you own a home in Scarborough, North York as well as other areas in and near Toronto, and would like a quote, please gve us a call. 416.615.0443

What Is Seamless Eavestrough?

The success of your eavestrough project will depend highly on the tools and equipment the eavestrough contractor has available. The old saying that you are only as good as your tools definitely applies here. In order to install seamless eavestroughs on your home we need to bring a seamless eavestrough forming machine to your home. We set a tightly wrapped roll of aluminum on the machine that may be up to 600 feet long. We feed it in to a series of rollers and out comes a seamless eavestrough. We form a eavestrough that is the entire length of your home and cut it to the appropriate length.

Generally, this is done on the street in front of your home as lots of space is needed. Now we could potentially run out a piece 600 feet long but the maximum length of a seamless eavestrough should limited to about 75 feet. Anything beyond this length could develop major problems due to expansion and contraction issues due to hot and cold weather. The benefit to you choosing this system is there will be no unnecessary seams or overlaps that can lead to leaks over the years. In years gone by, contractors would bring predetermined lengths of 10 or 20 feet gutters to your home and patch them together. This was when seamless gutter machines were less common.

The only place that we will have to make a seam or overlap is when there is a corner on the home and the gutter has to change direction. This is unavoidable with today's technology as the seamless machines will only create a gutter in a perfectly straight line. A corner requires a proper hand fitted overlap with a proper sealant that is specifically designed for gutter.
This is the most critical part of the install which must be controlled with specific standards for craftsmanship and a high quality sealant and backed up with a 10 year warranty for your protection.

Most houses being troughed in the GTA are being installed with seamless machines. They have been available for approx 25 years so it's not new cutting edge technology. The only thing that has changed is that when machines were first on the scene the size was primarily 4 inch, which is obsolete today in favor of the 5 inch machine which is more than adequate for most all residential applications when installed properly.

I want to stress the importance of having the proper equipment to perform the job. However I think that homeowners should be wary of companies that over promote what I consider to be old technology. These machines have been in use for 25 years and some companies promote them like they were unveiled yesterday. My point is that there are so many other critical installation factors like proper slope, the fastening system to secure the eavestrough to the home and size of the downpipes. This is just scratching the surface.

When we come in to do an analysis the old system homeowners are surprised at how much we can effectively improve your rain water management system. It sometimes requires a leap of faith on their part because the only frame of reference they may have is their old, undersized, water pooling, leaf corrupted eavestrough. Lucky for them we have solutions for all of this and have been doing it every day for about 15 years in Scarborough, North York and other parts in and near Toronto.
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Facelift On Wartime Bungalow

We were able to give this home a makeover. All the old aluminum was stripped off to reveal the wood that was original to the home. Its important to remove all the old material and get down to a good solid base. It gives the opportunity to inspect the wood and check for rot and make sure the surface is straight as not to compromise the integrity of the new materials to be installed over top. Lucky for the homeowner who does stained glass, a round window in the gable was discovered under the old siding. She now has a new project to complete. Once everything is determined to be solid the new product can be applied.

We had to do a combination of vinyl and aluminum to get the look the homeowner had envisioned. We used aluminum for the soffit, fascia, eavestrough and capping. Vinyl was used for the horizontal siding on the gable and for the vertical siding under the soffits to resemble board and batten.


This project was definitely more labour intensive than most projects that we take on. A project with this detail costs about $7500. for the complete bungalow due to the extensive capping work. If you need any work of this nature it's best to contact us when we are in our off season. As spring approaches we become very busy with our eavestrough and leafguard. However if you are not time sensitive we would be happy to book any of your small siding projects in the winter and early spring. Feel free to contact us for availability. We take the time to do it right. If your home is in Scarborough, North York or other areas of the GTA, you need a discriminating contractor who pays attention to the details and quality is more important than a low price we will be a great fit.




















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Why do light coloured eavestroughs get streaks?

Many people ask why eavestroughs tend to get dark lines down the front. It usually becomes noticeable about a year or two after the new eavestroughs are installed. They are most noticeable on white eavestroughs however they also show up on lighter coloured eavestroughs as well.

These stains are called tiger stripes and are a result of dirt and pollution that settles out of the air. It settles on the top edge of the eavestrough and when it gets wet droplets form and run down the front carrying the dirt.

This is what causes the staining. It seems that the stripes do start to become less evident as many years go by and the paint slowly fades. Unfortunately there is no special brand of paint or aluminum that will resist tiger stripes.

Thankfully, we have a new variation of our main leafguard, the T-Rex. It works much the same way as our regular leafguard but has a small drip edge as part of the system. It will prevent the water from touching the front of the eavestrough allowing it to fall harmlessly to the ground. The result is a streak free seamless eavestrough. Also this 5800 series leafguard is even stronger than the regular T-Rex as it is of a thicker gauge aluminum. If interested, we will give this product to you at an additional $3. per foot as compared to our regular T-Rex leafguard. However it is noticeable from the ground so it must be color matched to the color of your eavestrough. We service Scarborough, North York or other parts of the GTA. Give us a call if you are interested in the products mentioned in this blog.

Cleaning of the eavestrough every year or two will keep them looking new and shiny.

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LED Recessed Soffit Lighting/Potlights

These highly efficient 2 watt fixtures mount neatly into your soffit. They really transform the look of your home! It is an exciting opportunity which enables you to add curb appeal, security lighting and light for entertaining.

The picture below shows how a combination of fixtures work depending if you need to flood the walkway as shown and use a tighter beam of light the highlight and wash the brick and house number. Its always good to highlight the front entrance to guide visitors in the right direction and keep the steps safely lit.

Soffit lighting can add security to any dark areas and light entertaining areas in a stylish way. All this can happen automatically, every single night!

10 benefits of our LED system:

1. 100,000 hour life expectancy which will give 20 plus years of use. No light bulbs to change!

2. Available in new warm white to blend with any traditional lighting you may have.(All pictures in this post are of the cool white)

3. Each fixture is only 2 watts but powerful and will consume less than a dollar of power over the entire year.

4. Very little heat is generated so are less likely to attract insects.

5. Completely automated with a timer that automatically adjusts for the change in daylight so you will have to do nothing but enjoy!

6. Feel guilt free with a recessed soffit lighting system that is on all night due to low power consumption.

7. A high quality Canadian product built to last. Many LED products are offshore products of lesser quality.

8. Can be mounted in areas that conventional soffit lights will not work, giving more flexibility.

9. Can be used for up lighting and down lighting and can be used for landscape lighting.

10. Does not require any rewiring of your home and can be installed into existing soffits.

The picture below shows the cool white 1.5 watt( this home has the older version, all are now updated to 2 watts) flood type fixtures that spread light over a broad area for entertaining.

These fixtures can be mounted to in the yard to highlight trees and shrubs.

If you are handy, can do the installation yourself and would like to see pricing direct from the manufacturer then click the link.  www.delphitech.com

This short video gives a brief demonstration of how they are mounted into the soffits:



This video is more information on how to light a basic entrance and run wiring in existing soffits:




Below is what the LED recessed fixture looks like during the day (mind you the light will not be on during the day due to the automatic timer). Its small and the best thing about it is the light pivots in its housing so the angle of light in or out from the home can be adjusted to preference.

Below is a actual picture of the LED fixture and housing so it can be installed like a pot light / recessed. Most of our clients really like the warm white however we have done some landscape fixtures using the cool LEDs to really show the true color of what they wanted highlighted.

Below we show the 5 amp power panel that will convert your 120 volt power to 12 volt and allow for safe low voltage wiring that you do not need an electrician for.

Below is the Intermatic DT620CL timer. It will allow the system to operate automatically and will adjust each day for the sunrise and sunset times so the lights are always coming on at the right time. It has a battery backup so if the power goes out it will not loose its programming.

A quick clip of an entrance way we completed. The camera did not take the night video as good as I would have liked but it will help give you a visual.

Each light will cost from  $200.00 to $300.00 installed if recessed like a pot light depending on the level of difficulty. Visit http://www.eavestrough.ca/

 

10 KEY POINTS FOR DOWNPIPE PLACEMENT

There are some critical factors to consider when replacing your eavestrough system. Downspout locations will determine where the water collected from your eavestroughs will exit and drain onto your property. The picture here shows a down pipe that drains water directly beside the basement. This is a risky situation which can lead to a wet basement. Over the long term it could lead to structural damage.
When considering replacing your existing eavestrough system the location of downspouts is critical. The property must be closely examined to determine the best place to deposit the roof water. Consider these 10 points before proceeding, to reduce your chance of having drainage issues:

1. Does the ground slant towards the house or away from the house? A downspout should never be installed in an area that allows the water to drain back to the house. A simple test is to observe how the water behaves as it exits the downspout. If it's not raining out take a garden hose and let it run near the end of the downspout and make sure the water drains away from the house. If it pools around the home consider, a longer extension pipe at the bottom to get the water away from the house.

2. What is the best way to position spouts so not to interfere with walkways or driveways? Downspouts draining on them can become icy in the winter or create trip hazards.

3. What is the square footage of the roof? This will determine if more or fewer downspouts are needed for optimum function. Simple math can facilitate many downspout decisions. Using downspouts twice the size of existing may give the flexibility to eliminate a problem downspout.

4. Are there better options than using existing weeping/sewer pipes? These are often problematic due to blockages, collapse or deterioration of clay pipes. There can often be environmental benefits achieved by draining water onto the yard. Many parts of the North York, Scarborough and Toronto require them to be disconnected if possible. Keep in mind that buried drainage pipes that are not below frost line will probably stay frozen for the winter and may create some headaches.

5. Will the location enable you to contain your rainwater on your own property? Neighbours will not appreciate water running out of your downspout and making its way onto their property.

6. If draining into a flowerbed will the size of the bed be able to handle the water? Care must be taken that the water flows away from your house and will flow out into the yard away from the home in a heavy rain. The water must not pool near your home. Also keep in mind that some back yards in the Toronto can be small and not handle a lot of water either.

7. Can any existing structures like fences be used to fasten downpipes to get the water as far away as possible.

8. Will the downspouts look aesthetically pleasing? We strive to hide downpipes around corners if possible to keep the system looking neat and clean.

9. Can the new eavestroughs be properly sloped in the direction needed? Garages tend to heave up, verandas are not always level. Precise sloping of the eavestrough using a level will determine if these obstacles can be overcome.

10. All these factors should be determined during the estimating process before signing a contract. If the salesperson can not facilitate this process then its risky to hope that the installers, who you have not met yet, will be of any more help or even interested for that matter.

Based on feedback from past clients many companies who have come to estimate do not even focus on how optimize the system. An improperly placed downspout is not always easy to fix as it usually requires the repositioning of the eavestrough. Remember to plan, then do! Arrange a no-obligation consultation at http://www.eavestrough.ca/

Heater Cable Tips

This is the time of year when we get a lot of calls about frozen downpipes and gutters. This winter there has not been a lot of snow in Scarborough and North York. The major ice dams of the previous 2 years are not happening. Still the bit of snow we have had and the warmer weather has been icing up some eavestroughs and downpipes.

Generally, ice is caused from an attic that is not ventilated or insulated properly. The sun hitting the roof tends to increase the problem as well. Especially, if the sun warms a part of the roof and the downpipe is around the corner in the shade. Unfortunately water melting of the warm roof will not go down a downpipe if the temperature of the pipe is below zero.

There are a couple of ways to tackle ice problems. Either by reducing the heat loss in the attic or adding a heater cable to melt off the ice that builds up. North Shore always recommends dealing with the root cause of of ice problems, which is the attic, if possible. However this can get fairly involved on some homes redoing the entire soffits, insulating and adding roof vents. It's not always in the budget or in the homeowner's plan for the home. A alternative is heater cables which can be a cost effective solution.

If the ice builds up on the roof then the roof must be heated along with the gutter and downpipe. If it is just an ice filled gutter or downpipe then the cables can be limited to this area. Cables must be installed with a proper ground fault plug that will require the services of a licensed electrician. This is code and required for safety. Proper installation is the key to a good working system.

In our areas of Toronto we rarely see a set that is properly installed. The biggest offences are not heating the downpipes all the way to the bottom, overlapping cables that are not designed to touch, using extension cords because the plug is too far from the heater cable and running the heated portion of the cable through a wall. All these issues can result in a poor working system or a fire hazard. Trust North Shore to do the install in the most professional way. Costs vary depending on the length of the cable and the level of difficulty in reaching the affected area. If you would like more information you can email me at darren@eavestrough.ca or visit our website at http://www.eavestrough.ca/